Have Faith in Yourself – Jon Gabriel and Lisa J. Smith

Oh, it’s time for some fun. Whoever said spirituality, losing weight and faith and trust and patience and meditation and all these words that we throw out can’t be fun? I am Lisa J. Smith. You are listening to Lisa J. now, and I’m very excited to be right here at The Sky to be able to connect with you each and every day. Don’t forget about instant feedback which is available to you over at NewsSkyRadio.com.

As promised, it’s 4:00 eastern time; I wish I had a bell. That means that my guest is Jon Gabriel. He’s going to be here every Monday at 4:00 eastern to talk about The Gabriel Method and you know what, I believe this, that sometimes you have to go through certain things to be able to be a teacher to others, and I think that maybe Jon Gabriel had to go through some things in order to be a teacher for all of us and I’m, in a way, glad that he did because you know what I, in the past week, have been looking at things very differently.

So I would love to welcome Jon Gabriel to the show. Again, while we’re talking, go over to JonGabriel.com/LisaJ and check out Jon Gabriel if you haven’t already. Hi, Jon, welcome to the show today.

Hey, Lisa, how are you?

I’m awesome. How are you doing today?

Great. It’s 4:00 eastern standard time and it’s 5:00 in the morning Western Australia time, so you guys are the first people I’m talking to today.

Wow and you’re so awake. Do you always get up early?

I’m sorry?

Do you always get up early or are you just getting up early for us?

I probably could have slept another half an hour this morning but I usually do get up pretty early, yeah, but it’s all good and I’m ready to talk.

Excellent. Well, I have to tell you, The Gabriel Method, I’ve really been thinking a lot about you, a lot actually, and I’ve been thinking about this method which is not a diet. I want everybody to know that. It is a method, it is a way of being, it is a way of seeing yourself in the world and knowing your security. And I’ve been looking at people very, very differently in the past week since you were on last week.

And when I look at somebody who is heavy or has some weight to lose and thinking about myself who is naturally a very thin person underneath 30 some pounds of triggers, of things that have gone on in my life, but I look at people and I wonder to myself what triggered your fat switch. And that’s what we’re talking about today, every day, on the show or every Monday on the show we’re going to be doing a different chapter out of your book, and we can join in it any time so we don’t have to do it from the beginning. You just have to read up and catch up.

But today we’re going to be talking about your FAT programs and the real reason you are fat from chapter one, and I have some questions for you, and I even went over to chapter two and read about Jesse’s Law. So tell me — yeah, which is amazing and not a coincidence, and we’ll talk about that, too, why Jesse showed up in your life and how Jesse was a real life teacher for you. But chapter one, the real reason I’m fat. Why is that, Jon?

FAT programs. As you said before, The Gabriel Method is not a diet, it’s a method. But what it is, is a method of getting your body to want to be thin as opposed to every other program out there that’s forcing your body to lose weight. This is a way of getting your body to want to be thin. In order to get your body to want to be thin, you have to understand why your body would want to be fat in the first place. And the reason your body would want to be fat is because we have these programs inside of our body that we carry around, they are survival programs designed to keep us alive under certain conditions, and I call them the FAT programs.

The reason I call them the fat programs is fat, F-A-T, is an acronym for famine and temperature. Now what I mean by that is famine and cold weather, so famine and temperature, are certain stresses that will activate these survival programs that I call the FAT programs and force your body to gain weight, and it does it for survival reasons. If you were in a famine — if you were living outdoors as we all did thousands of years ago and you were in a famine or it was a long winter and you were living outdoors, that’s a type of chronic stress. In other words, chronically it’s ongoing. Day after day after day after day you’re not getting enough to eat, that’s a stress. Day after day you’re cold, that’s a stress.

That’s causing chemistry in your body. That type of chemistry that it causes triggers a FAT switch inside your brain. It activates these FAT programs and it’s like a signal to your body that it’s time to gain weight in order to survive and your body — anytime you have stress of any kind, your body is always trying to adapt to the stress so that it makes the stress less stressful. In other words, it helps improve your chances of survival under whatever the stress is. Now if the stress is not enough to eat, the way your body adapts is your body says you know what, we need to carry 10 pounds extra on our body all the time because the stress out there is there’s famines out there and we don’t know where our next meal is coming from. So we need to have you 10 pounds heavier than we are right now, we need to actually get fatter, and what that stress does is it makes your body want to be fatter.

So when you have this stress, your body activates these FAT programs, it actually wants to be fatter. And what happens is, all this chemistry goes on. It’s almost like a dial. If you were to look inside your brain, there's a little dial that has a target weight it wants to be, like let’s say it’s 150 pounds for somebody, your body wants to be 150 pounds. Well, if you go through a famine, your body is going to say I want to be 170 pounds. It’s going to shift its target weight because it’s going to want to carry 20 pounds of extra fat around so that the next time there’s a famine you have a better chance of surviving. The extra fat will also keep you warm, it will protect your organs the next time there’s a famine or cold weather. So your body actually shifts its target weight to 170 pounds. That is it gets your body to want to be fatter.

Now when that happens, all this chemistry goes on in your body and certain things happen so that you’re hungrier all the time. In other words, your brain stops listening to your stomach when your stomach says it’s full. So you keep eating and eating and eating, you crave more fattening foods; your tongue is desensitized to sweet foods, so it takes sweeter food. If you eat an apple it’s like that’s not sweet enough, if you eat blueberries that’s not sweet enough because your tongue is not sensitive anymore. You need cupcakes or chocolate or something like that to get that sensation of sweet.

So your tongue losses its sensation of sweet, your metabolism slows down, your brain actually sends a message to your thyroid to slow your metabolism. And so many people say to me, "Oh, I have a slow metabolism," I say, "It’s because your FAT programs are on," and then the worst part is that your body loses the ability to burn fat. You know people go on a diet and they think it’s just calories in, calories out. Nobody even questions do I even have the ability to burn fat? When your FAT programs are on, you lose the ability to burn fat, at least efficiently, like a naturally thin person.

Can I ask —

What’s that?

I don’t mean to interrupt but I have a question. As I was reading the book and I’m really thinking about this am I’m looking at other people and I’ve been thinking about this, where did you — because the word FAT switch and FAT programs makes sense. Where did you come up with that? How did you come up with that?

I poured so much of myself into this process while it was happening.

I mean you —

What’s that?

No. You are like the test. Like you — in a weird way it’s like you had to be the person to go through this. Like I had to go through what I had to go through to help people with what I help people with. You had to be fat and lose over 220 pounds. You had to be like the guinea pig for the universe in order to put yourself into this so passionately to come up with the words FAT switch and FAT program because it makes so much sense.

Yeah. Well, this was my journey and I had to live through it and I do tell people that when those FAT — you really have to live through what it’s like to have those FAT programs on to understand what people are going through. The world has this sort of kind of bias that oh, fat people should just eat less, that they’re just lazy or weak or overindulgent and —

Oh, if it were only that easy.

— I’m not that lazy, weak or overindulgent or any of those things, but when your FAT programs are on, you will gain weight no matter who you are because it’s a program that forces you to gain weight. I tell people that that part of your brain that’s in charge of activating these FAT programs is the same part of your brain that’s in charge of how much sleep you need or how much oxygen you need or all these things. And so if you try to sleep less, if you force yourself to sleep — let’s say you go on a sleeping diet, your doctor says you probably just sleep too much and you force yourself to sleep just two hours a night, well you could do that for a couple of days but pretty soon your body is going to force you to sleep more, it’s the exact same with food. If you force yourself to eat less, pretty soon your body is going to force yourself to have this kind of binge, and then we have all this guilt and we feel like a failure and we call it self-sabotage and it’s not self-sabotage, it’s simply chemistry, that’s all it is.

We’re going to take a short break, but when we come back you say this in — well, you say a lot of things in the book that I want to talk about, and one of my questions to you is this, you say the only difference between you and those naturally thin people is that your FAT programs are turned and theirs are not. So my question when we get back is why are ours on and theirs aren’t if they’re going through stressors, so that’s one of mine. The other thing you say is your body wants to be fat any time it decides that being fat is the best way to keep you safe, so true, and then you say all you have to do is understand your body’s logic and work with it as opposed to struggling against it, your body’s logic. That is genius. That makes so much sense.

And finally, and we’re going to take a break and then I’m going to give it over to you as soon as we get back, once your body understands that being thin is the best way to keep you safe, your body will want to be thin and the weight will fall off. That’s what we needed to know, is that we are always safe. Genius. Jon Gabriel. Go over to GabrielMethod.com/LisaJ. I’m reading this and I’m going why didn’t I think of this? Duh! But you had to be our teacher and thank goodness that you are who you are so that you can help us because boy is this good stuff. We’re going to be right back with Jon Gabriel from The Gabriel Method, GabrielMethod.com, and, Jon, the platform is yours because I want you to tell us about Jesse’s Law and I also want to talk about these FAT programs a little bit more. This is Lisa J. Smith.

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All right, it’s Lisa J., Lisa J. Smith, and you are listening to Lisa J. now on CBS Radio, The Sky, and my guest right now is Jon Gabriel. He is the author of The Gabriel Method. Please go over to the website that he set up for you. It’s GabrielMethod.com/LisaJ. Again, it was just set up for you because his passion is to help you understand how to be safe and how, by being safe, you create a healthy body and by having a healthy body, it’s the mind/spirit, body/spirit connection wouldn’t you say Jon?

Absolutely.

Yeah. Really, really important. So definitely go over to GabrielMethod.com/LisaJ. Now you have a download for the listeners of the show. Can you tell us about the free download that you provided for us to help us?

Sure. There’s a couple of them. I think you can download the first chapter of the book on there. I’m not sure. I haven’t looked at the page there, if it’s been updated, but I know that what’s up there right now, at least, is a download of a visualization CD that comes with the book. And it’s really important, in the process, because what I have found from my own experience and now dealing with thousands and thousands of people, is that mental and emotional stress for people that have had a lifetime of struggle with weight, mental and emotional stress is usually 90 percent of the issue.

Because what’s happening is that mental and emotional stress is activating your FAT programs. It’s causing the same chemistry as a famine, it’s tricking your body into thinking that you need the weight; it’s a miscommunication between your body and your mind and the stresses of the modern day world. So you need to be able to communicate to your body that the stresses in your life are not stresses that should activate your FAT programs. This is a miscommunication.

So I devised a CD that you listen to at night, it’s a visualization CD, that helps communicate to your body on a cellular level that you are safe, that you don’t need the weight, that the stresses in your life should not be activating your FAT programs, and that is addressing the real issue. Nothing else is going to do that. A diet is not going to do that. A diet is not going to make your body feel safe, certainly not safe from a famine because if the stresses in your life are tricking your body into activating this famine response and then you go on a diet, it just makes the whole thing worse because now you really are in a famine because that’s what a diet is, it’s a famine, and that makes your body even want to be fatter, so then you go at war with your body. Instead of going to war with your body you address the real issue.

So I created this CD to really address the real issue for the people that are under mental and emotional stress that are causing their body to want to be fat, so you can download that CD from that website, GabrielMethod.com/LisaJ, and then I think it’s going to ask for a password because normally you have to buy the book in order to download the CD and it’s asking for a word on page 50 of the book. The word is heart, H-E-A-R-T, so when you press the download link and it asks for a word, it prompts you for a word, type in the word heart and then you’ll be able to download the CD, listen to the CD at nights as you’re going to sleep.

It’s true. I never had a problem with weight. I never did until I felt — I’ve been thinking a lot about what you say and reading your book and really trying to be one with it, if that makes sense, and really from the time that I found out I was pregnant with my daughter and I was 21 and I was a college student and the whole thing, I felt unsafe. From that minute on, I have had nothing but weight issues and I had a great, little rockin body. My friends saw it, they’re like you had a rockin, hard body and I’m like yeah, I did.

Then ever since I started to feel unsafe and I always knew I felt unsafe and for like the past 20 years, through what I had gone through, I felt anything but safe. So it’s me coming to terms with my body and saying okay thanks for taking care of me, but you know what, now I’m safe, now I’m good. And my question to you is this, Jon, because this is what I thought about. I have friends that are going through difficult situations. Some of my best friends that I grew up with are in really tough situations right now but they’re not fat.

They’re losing weight?

Well, yeah, they’re not fat. So why when you say the different — I don’t get it.

Okay. So your question is why does stress make some people fat and some people skinny? That’s what your question is?

Yeah, yeah.

That’s a great question and no one’s ever been able to really answer that question before, but this is the answer. Our bodies have different way of adapting to different stresses. Not all stresses are the same and different stresses cause different chemistry in your body. And depending on how the chemistry and the way your body interprets the stress will determine whether or not your body wants to get fatter or thinner.

Now remember I said before that if you were in a famine where it was a long, cold winter, that would be a type of chronic, ongoing stress that would cause certain chemistry in your body to alert you that you’re in a famine or cold weather and your body would want to adapt to protect you because you’re unsafe. How are you unsafe? You’re in a famine where it’s cold or it’s chronically cold so what’s the threat? The threat is you could die of starvation. Your body — you are unsafe because you could die of starvation. I’m talking now thousands of years ago when we lived outdoors. That’s the stress, and when your body thinks or understands that that’s the stress out there, it activates these FAT programs to protect you against dying of starvation.

Now there are other stresses out there that your body protects you of. Let’s take another example. Let’s imagine that we lived thousands of years ago and it’s not a famine but you’re living in a warm, tropical paradise. So it’s warm all the time so there’s not that chronic stress of being cold all the time causing your body to activate the FAT programs, and there’s plenty of food always and whenever you’re hungry you eat and, by the way, it’s a very natural thing that when you’re hungry you eat and what you’re hungry for you eat. You eat that specific thing and you eat as much as you want of it, and if you were living in a tropical paradise, there would be as much fruits and there would be chicken or there would be animals to eat, there would be fish, there would be salad. Everything you could eat. You could eat all you want so there’s no longer that chronic stress, but there’s a different stress that’s causing different chemistry, and that stress is that every once in awhile there’s wild tigers running around and those tigers come out of nowhere and they chase you and if you’re not lightning fast, you’re dead.

Ah, which leads me to Jesse’s Law which we’re going to talk about.

Okay. We’ll talk about Jesse’s Law. That’s skipping ahead to chapter two but —

Yeah, yeah, we won’t go there yet. We’ll do that after the break because we only have about two minutes so I want to come back and talk about Jesse’s Law.

Okay. Well, let’s focus on this stress. Now we have a different stress and the stress is that if we’re not lightning fast, we will die by being eaten. Now the stress is that we’re not going to die of starvation because there’s plenty of food. So your body is not trying to protect you from starvation, your body is trying to protect you from being eaten. That’s a different stress that causes different chemistry.

That chemistry activates what I call the get thin or get eaten adaptation, and when that program gets activated, your body says hold the brakes, nothing is more important than us being thin and fast and all this other chemistry takes place where you’re just not as hungry anymore. You have a couple of bites of something to eat and you’re not hungry and your metabolism speeds up. All of a sudden you have the metabolism of a greyhound. Your body wants to be thin.

Remember before your body says well we need to be 170 pounds now because we need to carry 20 pounds of extra fat, your body is going to say no, we need to be 140 pounds or 120 pounds or whatever it is, we can’t have an extra ounce of fat or we’ll die. That’s a different stress that activates a different chemistry and different programs.

Now we had these programs that we carry around with us, and what’s amazing is that the same mental stress because your body doesn’t — the biggest problem that all of us have in this whole civilization and we don’t even know that it exists, is that we carry these survival programs around to protect us against different stresses, we have these mental and emotional stresses and our body thinks they’re real stresses, our body thinks that we’re dying of starvation or we’re being chased by a tiger and none of these things are happening. The stock market is going up, the stock market is going down, your boss is yelling at you, your partner is yelling at you, you’re late for work; you can’t make your mortgage payment. Your body is getting fatter and thinner activating these programs. You don’t even know it. You’re driving to work and you’re stuck in traffic, you don’t even know your body is getting fatter because you’re activating these FAT programs.

So what’s happening is that the same stress that could cause one person to activate their FAT programs will cause another person to activate these get thin programs simply because your body is interpreting the stress differently. Instead of interpreting the stress as a famine, in other words your boss is yelling at you, for one person you’re interpreting the stress — your body is interpreting the stress as a famine and for another person it’s interpreting the stress as a tiger chasing them, and that activates the get thin programs.

So it’s a matter of perception?

So the same stress will make one person fatter because it activates their FAT programs and another person thin because it’s activating their get thin programs. And I remember when I used to in New York, I had a business partner and the whole time we were working together for 11 years, I was getting fatter and fatter and he was getting thinner and thinner, and we had the exact same stress. The only difference is, when I used to go through stress I used to sort of — things wouldn’t go right, I would just sort of take it day after day after day, I just took it, I didn’t react to it, I just took it.

And that’s very similar to the way you would react if you were in a famine. If you were in a famine day after day after day you couldn’t run away from it, you couldn’t fight it, you couldn’t scream at it, you’d just have to take it and just sort of slow down day after day.

Whereas this guy, anytime the slightest thing went wrong, the fax machine wouldn’t work, he’d scream, he’d flail, he’d go oh, the fax machine, he’d throw it on the ground and smash it and say oh, we need another fax machine. The slightest thing that went wrong he would scream and yell and react as if he was being attacked, and so his body interpreted the stress, the same stress I was going through, his body interpreted it as a form of attack that he had to run from or fight from and so his body reacted by –

Oh my God, Jon?

Yeah.

That makes so much since. It’s so brilliant. This is so common sense but yet we don’t get it. I’m just sitting here like oh my God, this is such common sense, hello, and we’re going to take a break but really I want you all, everyone listening, to think about all these diets, whether it’s the Atkins or it’s this or it’s that or it’s all the diets that you’ve been on and all the different ways you’ve tried to lose weight, and think about what they taught you. And maybe they tell you what to eat or how many proteins or how many breads or this or that or that, but none of them taught you this, and I am sitting here going oh my God this makes so much sense, I cannot believe how lucky that I am and each and every one of my listeners are to have you tell us this. You have no idea how unbelievably lucky we all are because this is amazing.

When we get back from the break I want to talk about Jesse’s Law because really your cat demonstrated this to you, and I think that it’s amazing how it all works and how it all ties together. So Jon Gabriel is my guest. We’re going to take a short break. When we get back we’re going to talk about Jesse’s Law, we’re also — I want you to go over to GabrielMethod.com/LisaJ, check out his website, download his free download, the password that he is giving to you is heart, H-E-A-R-T. This is Lisa J. I have got to go think about this for a second and we’ll be right back.

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What a perfect song to come back with Jon Gabriel because, Jon, that is what you are giving us, is freedom through your book, The Gabriel Method. A diet-free, diet-free, like freedom, way to totally transform your body. I just had an email from Courtney from The Hamptons and she said the guy is genius. That’s all she put in the subject line, and I agree. I’m sitting here thinking to myself, why did nobody come up with this before? But maybe when the student is ready to teach, the teacher will teach and it’s your journey to teach us this so congratulations, Jon, thanks for being our teacher and how lucky are we to have you here on the show with us?

Happy to be here, definitely.

Well, we’re going through — we’re doing a weight loss challenge and I will tell you I was at a birthday party yesterday and everybody said to me, have you been working out, you look great and I’m like, ah, no, I haven’t been working out. Maybe my right arm from my fork to my plate but no, and they said well you just look great and everyone — my parents saw me last night and they said you look like you’ve lost weight, and somebody else said that, and I’m like really? But I feel, for the first time in my life, safe. And this so makes sense to me, and explain feeling safe.

We’re in chapter two now because we’re going through your book, you have to get The Gabriel Method, to do this weight loss challenge with us and we’re doing chapter by chapter each week and now we’re on chapter two, and we’re talking about Jesse’s Law, and this is your cat Jesse. And there’s so much information in this chapter, so briefly just tell us the story about Jesse because I really want to get to where you talk about turning on his FAT programs and how you did that because that, to me, is very cool.

Jesse’s Law is simply that when your body wants to — your body will gain weight anytime it thinks that being fat is the best way to keep you safe, and your body will lose weight anytime it thinks that being thin is the best way to keep you safe. And Jesse, my cat, is a perfect example of this.

So what happened with Jesse is, Jesse — we have a next door neighbor, we have a dog next door that lives next door to us named Buddy, and Buddy’s this big — he’s a combination of a Bull Mastiff and a Ridgeback, so he’s about 110 pounds or 55 kilos, big heavy dog. Very friendly, sweet natured but huge, strong, powerful dog, hates cats. This dog just hates cats, and Jesse, my cat, knows this and Jesse used to always go over to my neighbor’s yard and just kind of like hang out in the front and just stretch and lick his paws and Buddy would be in the house going crazy, barking and screaming and the neighbors were going Buddy, be quiet, blah, blah, blah and the cat is just lounging around.

One day my next door neighbors got sick of this and they let Buddy out. Not the nicest thing in the world to do, but I understand where they were coming from. Let Buddy out. All of a sudden I see my cat shoot into the woods, I see Buddy moving like a freight train. I never saw anything so big move so quickly with one goal in mind and that is to get this cat. Shot into the woods. Buddy comes out; Jesse doesn’t, so I figured Jesse’s finished. Two days go by and I don’t see Jesse.

Next thing I know — then all of a sudden Jesse comes back and he’s limping, he’s walking on three legs, he’s got one leg in the air, he’s limping, and Buddy must have gotten hold of his leg and he was in the woods for a while and now he’s back. And I repaired Jesse’s — we went to the vet, repaired Jesse’s leg.

All of a sudden two weeks go by and my cat is bone thin. My cat looks like a skeleton with fur on it, it’s so skinny, and everybody’s saying to me is something wrong with your cat? It must have worms, go get him checked for worms. And I said, there’s nothing wrong with my cat. I know exactly what’s wrong with my cat. What’s wrong with my cat is that it knows that next door there is a 110 pound Bull Mastiff that could move faster than a fright train when it wants to and it’s after me, and so Jesse’s body got the idea that being thin and being fast is the best way to keep you alive because if this Bull Mastiff chases you, you got to out run it.

So this cat became just like, like I said, like a skeleton with fur, so thin, and it was too thin. They didn’t let Buddy out anymore. So I decided that I wanted to Jesse to gain weight because he was –

Okay. But don’t you think — I have to interrupt you for one second though before we go to Jesse gaining weight. Don’t you think it’s so odd that this happened? I mean can you believe the synchronicity that this would happen to you with your cat? Were you like oh my goodness, I can’t believe this is happening?

Well, you know we always look for signs in the universe and this is was the universes way of saying this is a really good way to explain what’s going on here, but it’s a simple thing that when you have a stress like Buddy, that is when a tiger’s chasing you or Buddy’s chasing you or –

Your boss.

– something is causing you to run away for your life, you’re going to lose weight. But what’s interesting is that when I talk about mental and emotional stress, for some people, when they have mental and emotional stress their body interprets it like Buddy, like this huge animal, predator chasing them and those are the people that lose weight.

Yeah, because you’ve got to be quick.

Yeah. My editor, when we were writing this book, I never saw anybody eat so much in my entire life. It got to the point where I would just feed him because he was working on the book, I had finished the book and he’s working on it with me and he’s writing nonstop day and night and so I’m making him meals. I started feeding him night and day just to see how much he would eat. I never saw anybody eat so much in my life. This guy never gains an ounce of weight and then I talked to him.

I said tell me a little bit about your life. He said when he was a kid his father was one of those dominating, interrogating types and he always wanted to run away and he did run away when he was 15, but the point is that the idea of running away from the stress made his body interpret the stress like it was a tiger. So we have all of these stresses that go on in our lives, but the stress is meaningless. It’s how our body interprets the stress and our body is always going to interpret the stress in physical terms. Whether the stress is that in three years from now you may not graduate from college or something like that and that’s the stress, your body is going to think a tiger is chasing you now. It doesn’t understand our mental and emotional world. And so it’s almost like we have different brains. We’ve got this mental and emotional world and we’ve got this mental and emotional brain that processes that, and then we’ve got this physical survival brain that has to translate it and understand it and it doesn’t understand it and that’s our biggest problem in life that we don’t even know exists, that we don’t know how to translate mental and emotional stress into physical terms.

And our body is always getting it wrong, and it should because we’re living in a much more multidimensional, much more complicated, futuristic, mental world, not a physical world anymore. Our survival threats are not running away from a tiger, they’re making mortgage payments.

Perfect, perfect.

So our body doesn’t understand that, but our body is still running away from tigers and still protecting us from famine. We had these FAT switches, we have these get thin or get eaten adaptations and they’re being tricked on and off all the time. And for some people, the same stress is going to trick the get thin or get eaten adaptation in one person and the FAT program in another person. It’s the same stress, our body is confusing it all the time, and so many illnesses are the result of our body not understanding stress and missadapting to it, that is adapting to a famine. When you adapt to a famine in a world of all you can eat, empty carbohydrate foods like cinnabons and fast food and all this kind of stuff, when there’s an all you-can-eat world of food out there and your body thinks you’re in a famine, that’s a recipe for obesity.

For sure. In your book you say your body treats all mental and emotional stresses as if they are literal, physical threats. Every time you feel stress, you’re sending a chemical message to your body and the message is, I am not safe, do something. Your body is programmed to do whatever it can to protect you, but the only types of threat your body understands are physical threats, not emotional ones. So when you are upset emotionally, your body actually thinks you are in danger physically. That’s awesome.

When we get back I want to talk to you about applying Jesse’s Laws that you learned through Jesse to the real world, and I also want to talk about envisioning our end result because that’s really important, and then we’re going to talk about what we’re going to do next week on the show. Maybe we’ll do chapters three and four. So don’t go anywhere. Jon Gabriel is my guest. He is the author of The Gabriel Method. Please, please, please do yourself a favor and get this book for you, get it for your friends, or anybody that you really care about because really it is the key to finally just getting it together, just finally it’s the key to our freedom. Jon Gabriel, you are a rockstar. Don’t go anywhere, we’re going to come right back. This is Lisa J. Smith.

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All right. This is Lisa J., Lisa J. Smith. My guest is Jon Gabriel and we are doing the weight loss challenge, The Gabriel Method. Please visit GabrielMethod.com/LisaJ, and I’ll talk about this more on the show, but we don’t have much time with Jon and I just want to make sure that — we were just talking about Jesse’s Law and what did Jesse’s Law — how can we apply Jesse’s Law in the real world for what we do every day with the yoyo dieting and toxins and medications and food additives and all these things that we have to deal with, Jon? How can we apply this law?

The way to do it is by understanding the stresses in your life and understanding what type of programs they are activating. Now we didn’t finish Jesse’s Law. The important component of Jesse’s Law is that when Jesse became too thin, I actually caused Jesse to gain weight, and the way I did that was by getting Jesse’s body to want to be fatter. And so what I did with Jesse, when he got too thin like this, is I actually put Jesse on a diet. I would be feeding Jesse all he could eat for days and days and days and he wasn’t gaining any weight, and that’s because his body didn’t want to be fat. But what I did was I actually shifted Jesse’s ideal weight toward fatter, I got Jesse’s body to want to be fatter by putting him on a diet.

What I did was, for a month, I just fed him a minimal diet of just dry food, whereas before I was feeding him chicken and fish and all he could eat and he wasn’t gaining weight. I put him on a diet for a month, and obviously he didn’t gain weight from that and he was screaming all the time, but after the month I then gave him all he could eat and he gained weight. And the reason he gained weight is because I imposed a different stress on his body. Rather than having just the stress of Buddy chasing him, causing his body to want to be thin, I imposed the stress of a famine onto him causing his body to want to be fat. And then once I took the famine away and gave him all he could eat, he gained weight because his body now wanted to be fatter. So I was able to actually cause him to gain weight by putting him on a diet.

So you have to understand, that every time we go on a diet you will lose weight but it gets your body to want to be fatter because you’ve imposed the stress of a famine and that activates your FAT programs. So the way to apply Jesse’s Law in the world is to understand that we have FAT programs and we have get thin programs, and in the mental and emotional world that we live in, these programs are being activated all the time. So we have to look at all the different stresses in our lives and try to understand which ones are activating our FAT programs.

I talk about in the book, in chapter two, a list of different things that could be activating your FAT programs. It could be mental and emotional stress. A lot of people tell me, "Oh I was naturally thin until I moved to Chicago or until my parents separated or until there was a car crash or until I had a really bad date and the guy tried to go further than I wanted to go or I had a babysitter that was doing horrible things to me or my father was an alcoholic," or whatever it was, there are mental and emotional stresses that activate your FAT programs or it was until I started working at this job or whatever it was, you trace your body’s weight to a specific time in your life. Like you said, when I gained weight and all of a sudden I’m a 21-year-old girl about to have a baby, unsure of the world and unsure what to do, my whole life has been turned upside down, I feel unsafe, that’s what will happen for you.

It all started and it continued on and it makes so much sense, because the big thing for me in my life, and it’s interesting what you’re talking and a big lesson for me in my life, is feeling safe, knowing I’m secure, knowing that it’s okay. I live in Detroit, but I’ve always wanted to live at the beach, where it’s warm and I’m not going to be able to go live where it’s warm until I deal with what I have to deal with here and I really, really get it, and that’s feeling safe in the cold, in the famine. I mean it just all makes so much sense.

And it’s just amazing and what I love about this, and this is what I talk about with people all the time, not so much in the physical but the emotional, the mental and doing the intuitive readings for people and helping them to really have a different perspective. It’s amazing because you say it’s understandable why you may have arrived at some of the incorrect conclusions that we have maybe arrived at in our life, but that’s only because you’ve been approaching weight loss in the wrong way, from the outside in, by forcing yourself to eat less and denying yourself the foods that you are craving. Weight loss is easy and effortless when your body wants to be thin. And in order to want to want to be thin, part of this is understanding what the triggers of the FAT programs are and your book, The Gabriel Method, will teach us that and you’re going to teach us that every Monday at 4:00 and we’re going to get it.

That’s right and if you just look at you, as an example, Lisa, I am sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you will lose weight. I am 100 percent sure. There’s no question whatsoever because you had that ah hah moment, you understand what the real issue is and you’ve been able to communicate to your body that you are safe and that you don’t need the weight and it’s all going to come off, and that’s why people are talking to you saying you look so great. And when you were 21 and you were unsure and you were pregnant and all this fear came into you and you started trying to lose weight, okay, a diet is not going to address that, a diet is not going to address the fact that you just don’t feel safe.

No. Not at all.

A diet is not going to help you feel safer, right?

Yeah, for sure.

You feel safer. People are telling you you lost weight. You have not done anything to lose weight except address the real issue. It’s almost like you’re in a car and the car is not moving and you’re trying to get the car to move. Well, you haven’t turned on the ignition, you haven’t pressed the accelerator. All of a sudden when you turn on the ignition, you press the accelerator; the car is going to move because you know how to operate it. Well, that’s what’s happening with you. You’ve been able to address the real issue and it’s as simple as that and that’s what’s happened with me.

It is.

I was unsafe, too, and I gained hundreds of pounds and now it’s gone and it’s been six years and I eat whatever I want, whenever I want. I do eat much healthier. I’m not as hungry anymore. I’m not hungry for junk food.

No. You’re safe and you feel good.

My body craves healthier food.

It’s amazing and I hate to cut you off. I hate all these darn breaks.

Yeah, I know.

I wish we didn’t have any breaks and I could just talk because between the two of us, Jon, we could talk all day and we wouldn’t even need one break. But really I just want to wrap it up with this because I have to go to the news before my producer comes on. We are going to do chapter three and can we do — is it a good idea, you tell me, chapter three and four or just chapter three next week?

Well, chapter three but I think we finish with all the different things that can activate your FAT programs next week and then go to chapter three.

Okay, perfect. But we can go ahead and read chapter three right now of The Gabriel Method and what I just want to say is be sure to go to GabrielMethod.com/LisaJ, download your free download that Jon was so gracious to put up there for you, all the listeners of the show. The password is HEART. If you have any questions you can email me and I will definitely get you in contact or give you the link, and we’re going have this show podcasted so you can go back and you can listen to the podcast, and I just want to finish before my producer comes on.

Envisioning your end result is how you end chapter two. Stop dieting, nourish your body and eliminate the mental and emotional causes of obesity, and you have to get the book to read more about it. The Gabriel Method available at every bookstore in the world. Jon, thank you so much for showing up for us. Truly you are a gift and thank you for going through what you’ve gone through, your 220-plus weight loss because you know what, we all have to go through it in order to help each other. So thank you, thank you. I can’t wait until next Monday and maybe I’ll be down a few more pounds.

I’m sure you will.

Thank you. You know what, if nothing else, I feel good, I feel better, I have a different perception and I get it. So, Jon Gabriel, thank you so much and I can’t wait until next Monday on all about me day, okay?

Okay, great. Thank you.

Yeah, I know, we could just talk for hours. Trust me, I know, but I’ll be in trouble so. Okay, we’ve got to run to the spiritual news. Thank you so much. This is Lisa J. I’ll be right back.