The Ultimate Weight-Loss Challenge – Jon Gabriel and Lisa J. Smith

Welcome back. You’re listening to Lisa J. Smith. Lisa J now on CBS Radio The Sky. Very excited because as I’ve been talking to many of you about for the past couple of weeks, Jon Gabriel is going to be the guest on my show on Mondays, and today is the kickoff of The Gabriel Method. I know many of you bought Jon Gabriel’s book last time he was on, and I’m really excited because I have been wanting to do a weight loss challenge for about a year and-a-half and I just couldn’t find the right, I guess, way to do it or the right connection or what felt right to me. And I don’t like to do anything unless it feels right.

And after Jon was on the show and he’s just so down to earth and wonderful, I started thinking that this would be perfect for my weight loss challenge, and I know that I would like to lose some weight. Spring and summer’s coming and I just — it’s not even about looking good, although that a part of it, it’s about feeling good and it’s about being the best that we can be. So as promised, Jon Gabriel is here on the show and we’re going to talk about the launch of our weight loss challenge. Hi Jon, welcome to the show. Do we have Jon?

Hello?

Hi, Jon.

Hi, how are you?

Good. How are you?

Yeah, I’m great.

Good. Welcome back to the show. I’m so excited to have you.

Thanks. I’m really happy to be here. I’m in Western Australia at the moment. It’s 5:00 in the morning and I’m up and I’m ready to go.

Wow. I give you a lot of credit. This is what you would hear if I had to get up at 5:00 in the morning — nothing. I am so not a morning person, so I appreciate you spending — well it’s eastern time here in the United States. At 4:00 eastern every Monday, and we are going to have a weight loss challenge for our listeners, and who better to learn how to lose weight than from you who lost over 220 pounds without dieting, without surgery. And we’re going to be going through the book, chapter by chapter, and each week we’re going to focus on another chapter of your book, The Gabriel Method. Before we start, tell us where we can get your book.

You can get it on my website, TheGabrielMethod.com.

Oh, exciting.

So you can go there and you can hear news about the radio show and what we’re doing and the weight loss challenge. There’s also some free downloads. At the moment, I’ve got my visualization CD there that you can download for free which is a really integral component to the whole weight loss process, and you can download it for free. You need a password. The password is heart, H-E-A-R-T. So if you put that password in, you’ll be able to download the visualization CD and I highly recommend that you do that and that your listeners to that at night as they’re going to sleep.

So you can also buy it at almost every major bookstore in the world. In the US and Australia, it’s in all the major bookstores. So you can get it there, too, but you can’t get — the only place you can get the visualization CD is on my website, so I strongly urge you to go there and download the CD.

Well, I’ll tell you and, I don’t know, I forwarded an email on to you and to a mutual person we know of people that have already started from the last time you were on, listening to your download, and really, really love it and really — I can’t tell you — I don’t know exactly what it — how you do what you do and we’re going to talk about that, but I really truly believe that you had to gain all that weight in order to lose it to be able to help thousands of people around the world really get in touch with their bodies.

Well, I had to live it and you have to live through the experience to really understand it. You go to a doctor and so many people have done this and they’ve talked to me, and I know that when I was really overweight I’d go to doctors and they would just sort of look at you and they just say, "Just eat less," and no one understands, and I’m not saying that you shouldn’t go to your doctor, I think it’s important to get all of the proper medical advice that you need, but no one understands what it’s like to be in a body that’s forcing you to gain weight unless you’ve lived through it. You can’t imagine what that’s like, and it’s not just about eating less, it’s not about discipline or willpower because I was a very disciplined person when I lived in New York and I was gaining weight, and there was nothing I could do to stop it.

I just kept — I would go on diets, I met face-to-face with Doctor Atkins from The Atkins Diet, I worked with him on a weekly basis, I spent thousands of dollars and in the end he just yelled at me for being so fat. And he goes< "What are you doing, you’re killing yourself?" And I’m thinking to myself, "Is that really the best you can do? Like I’m going to lose weight because you’re mad at me?"

So many people have the same experience where they go to doctors and they just say just eat less, but what I’ve discovered and what the most current biochemical research reveals, is that weight loss is not about discipline and it’s not about willpower. There’s a certain switch in your brain in what they call the animal brain, which is at the base of your brain, it’s right above your neck. There’s a small part of your brain called the hypothalamus, that's called the animal brain, there’s a fat switch in there. And when that fat switch is activated, your body is forced to gain weight, and any of these professionals that are sitting there saying just eat less, if their fat switch is activated, I guarantee you they will gain weight.

And there’s certain things you can do to activate it. For example, if you’re on cortisol medication, that will activate the fat switch, and the reason it activates the fat switch is because it mimics a famine. Anything that mimics a famine, any type of stress, mental or emotional, that mimics a famine tricks your body into activating this fat switch. And if you are activating that fat switch, you are going to gain weight. And the reason you’re going to gain weight is because your body is going to force you to eat and it’s going to slow your metabolism and it’s going to put your body in fat storage mode, and you can force yourself to eat less for a little while but you can’t, and you can control your eating through discipline, but you cannot control how hungry you are and you cannot control the types of food you’re craving.

And that is the domain of your body, and if your body wants to gain weight it will force you to be hungry all the time, it will force you to crave fattening foods, and you can’t control how fast your metabolism is. If your body wants to be fat, if this fat switch gets activated, your metabolism gets slowed and there’s nothing you can do about that. And people call me and they say, "I’m eating nothing."

That’s me. That is totally me.

You’re eating nothing, but what’s happening is no matter how little you eat, your metabolism just gets slower and slower and slower because that your body can control. If your body wants to gain weight, it will force you to eat or it will slow your metabolism. But it will force you to gain weight over time. It’s very similar, Lisa, to that same part of your brain, that animal brain, controls how much sleep you need and controls how much breathing you need. It regulates all of these unconscious processes.

So imagine you go to your doctor and he says, "You know what your problem is, just you sleep too much. Just sleep two hours a night," and then the whole world shames you because you’re so lazy because you sleep so much, and they say, "Just sleep two hours a night." Well, you could force yourself to sleep two hours an night for a while, right?

Yeah, for sure.

Well, what’s going to happen? Your body is going to force you to sleep and you’re going to rebound binge sleep where you’re going to have to sleep for a couple of days, and it’s the same with breathing. You could force yourself to breathe less for a short term.

Absolutely. It’s true. Yeah, I mean it’s true. I don’t eat that much and my friends are like — and I’ve gained so much weight. I’m going, how have I gained so much weight? I hardly ever eat and then I was kind of not feeling so great in the past six weeks so I lost some weight because I wasn’t able to really eat anything except for like chicken soup, and then I started feeling better so I just started eating regularly and now I’m like back to feeling all puffy again.

Okay, what is going on? I don’t understand this. And I love in your book you say in the introduction, and we’re going to take a break and we’re going to come back and talk some more because I could just talk to you all day, but I hated being so obsessed with food and treating every hunger signal as a battle I had to fight. I hated ranking every day according to how good I had been. Oh, I was good today or on a bad day, okay, today’s a bad day so let’s just go for it. Let’s go to the store and buy every cake, cookie, brownie and flavor of ice cream. No don’t get chocolate, it had too many calories, and then you know what happens, we end up mind screwing ourselves and we’re like a dog chasing our tails and we’re miserable. And is not the way to go through life. And that is why I am so happy that you’re going to help us because we need your help.

Yeah. Well, the first thing I have to say is no more battles, no more good days, no more bad days.

Just days.

Okay because people their whole lives like live in a battle. Don’t be at war with your body. Understand why your body wants to be fat and then learn how to turn that fat switch off. Get your body to want to be thin and then it happens automatically. And that’s what happened to me and I lost over 220 pounds. That was six years ago, I never diet, I wear the exact same size clothes, I never even weigh my — I haven’t weighed myself in four years. The whole issue is gone. I never think about it. It’s because my body now wants to be thin, and that’s what’s happening now for people all over the world, but it’s a paradigm shift. You’ve got to — rather than force yourself, you’ve got to work with your body to get it to want to be thin. You’ve got to respect it and understand that if it wants to be fat it’s going to force you to. Don’t fight it, don’t be at war with it, work with it.

And you know what, I think that is — that is exactly the key and it’s learning to control what you can control and letting go of what you can’t control, and that’s really a great metaphor for all of life. I had a caller earlier who wants to know when he can move and it’s really about learning what we can and what we cannot do.

So we’re going to take a break, but when we come back, Jon, we have lots of — I have lots of questions. We have somebody, Kelly, on the line who has questions for you. Again, please go over to GabrielMethod.com, order Jon’s book, The Gabriel Method. I’m going to tell you what, I have intuition, Jon, and I just know that this is it and I have such a great feeling and I just feel, through and through, that this is a great gift that both of us are able to — well, you already gave it to yourself, that I’m giving to myself and that to thousands and thousands of listeners will be able to do the same. So we’re going to take a short break. While we’re at break, please go over to GabrielMethod.com, check out Jon’s download, it doesn’t take very long; the password is heart, H-E-A-R-T.

Yeah. Go to GabrielMethod.com/LisaJ. It’s a page just for you.

Yeah. It’s great, too, and I love your little headset. So GabrielMethod.com/LisaJ. We’re going to take a break. When we get back, Jon, lots of things to talk to you about today.

Okay.

This is Lisa J. Smith.

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Hey, hey, welcome back. It’s Lisa J of Lisa J. Smith with my guest, who will be here every Monday at 4:00 eastern time with me, Jon Gabriel, the author of The Gabriel Method. Please go to his website, GabrielMethod.com/LisaJ. Jon has put together a wonderful page on his site for you. For all of my listeners, all of you all over the world, because together we are going to get ourselves together and that’s just what it’s going to be all about.

So, Jon, thank you for hanging on. We have Kelly from Ontario on the line who has a question for you about your method. Hi Kelly, how are you? I can hear you.

Perfect.

Say hi to Jon.

I did. Hi, Jon.

Hi, Kelly. Hi, how are you?

I’m well thank you.

Great.

Thank you for educating us all and taking this lead, it’s wonderful.

My pleasure.

It is. We are very, very lucky. What’s going on, Kelly?

Okay. I’ll try to be brief. I was always a naturally thin person until I was 26, my thyroid went. I gained about 30 pounds but I managed to bring it back down. I’m 5’7” so I normally run about 150, 155 pounds. I carried it fairly well. A year and-a-half ago I went down to my lowest, 143, I don't know how that happened, but since then I’m doing a steady incline and I’m at 180 pounds. I’ve never been there in my life. It feels foreign to me and it doesn’t matter what I do. I go to the gym five days a week, I’m working out, I’m trying to watch what I eat.

So I purchased your book in November, I had already been taking enzymes and probiotics; I drink a lot of green drinks and a lot of live foods so that wasn’t a huge difference for me. I’ve added the visualization CD in the evenings, about five days a week, I have magazines where I visualize the pictures, so I’m really implementing your suggestions.

But my biggest thing I think I’m missing, Jon, is I don’t know what switched on my FAT program, and because of that, I haven’t identified it. I don’t think I’ve made that paradigm switch, as you mentioned, and I’m not losing the weight. In fact, I keep going up and now I feel like it’s out of control and I don’t know what to do. It’s frightening.

This is a good question because we talk about the fat switch, and what Jon and Kelly, and Kelly especially because you’ve been reading the book and for everybody who is getting the book, Jon explain to us what the fat switch is and how we identify it.

Okay. The fat switch, I also call it a FAT program, it’s basically a survival program that we have in our body that forces us to gain weight. And the reason it forces us to gain weight is to protect us against famines and cold weather. Now I know that sounds funny because there’s no famines anymore, at least not for most of us, but thousands of years ago it would protect us from a famine. If you were, thousands of years ago, living outdoors and it was a long, harsh winter so it was cold all the time and there’s wasn’t enough to eat, that’s a specific type of stress that causes a specific type of chemistry in your body. When that chemistry gets activated, your body goes into fat storage mode because it wants to protect you against famine.

So what it says, in effect, is that okay there’s famines out there, this is a stress, this is a threat to our survival, so we are going to go into this fat storage mode where we’re hungry all the time, our metabolism slows down and our body gets very efficient at storing fat and it actually loses the ability to burn fat. So this is a program that we’ve inherited from our ancestors. We carry it around with us. It gets switched on to keep us alive during famines.

Now we don’t have famines anymore, but here’s the thing, we do have stress and we have all types of different stress. We have physical stress, mental stress and emotional stress, stress from toxins, stress from artificial foods, stress from dieting, stress from trying to make ends meet, from abusive relationships. There’s all types of stress from traumas, separations, there’s all types of different stresses. Now sometimes, for some people, the stresses in our lives cause the exact same chemistry as a famine. That is that the chemical changes that take place in our body mimic a famine and, in a sense, what happens then is our body gets tricked into activating this primal survival instinct.

Interesting.

Yeah. So our body gets tricked into activating this fat storage program. So what happens is, and this is what’s really dangerous, is that when you’ve got a stress and this is what’s happening with Kelly right now and we’ll have to identify it, but when you have a stress that’s mimicking, that’s causing the same chemistry as a famine and you’re in a world of unlimited, excessive, empty calorie, high carbohydrate foods, all you can eat, well your body just keeps gaining weight and gaining weight because it’s being tricked into thinking you’re in a famine even though you’re eating to your heart’s content. It’s like one hand doesn’t know what the other hand is doing. Your brain only knows that it’s getting the chemistry of a famine and it doesn’t understand that you’re eating 5,000 calories a day; this is what happened with me, so I understand it really well.

But that’s where this fat switch comes from, and what happens is we get so mad at our bodies, we think our bodies are out to get us; they’re out to sabotage us. It’s not the case. It’s just that our FAT programs are being activated, our bodies are being tricked into activating this primal survival instinct and we just have to understand why.

Now how do we figure out what our fat switch is? How do we figure that out?

In The Gabriel Method I talk about 10 or so things that are the most common types of things, most common types of stresses that can activate this fat switch. Ironically, the biggest one is dieting.

For sure. That’s so stressful. Now Kelly, what do you think for you has been — what stress are you going through or what could have figured this fat switch for you?

Well, I guess that’s my question. I know when I started to gain the weight I had started on Reactine which is an antihistamine, because I was getting hives and swelling, deep-seated swelling.

How long ago was that, Kelly? How long ago was that?

Actually a year and-a-half ago when I started to gain the weight.

And that’s right when you started taking these antihistamine?

I started in June, the antihistamine. I started to gain the weight in August. I’ve been on it –

Right there — I just want to stop you right there because that right there that can do it, because certain types of antihistamines can elevate your cortisol levels. Now if you were starving do you know what would happen? Your cortisol levels would go up. And elevated cortisol levels is a signal to your body that you’re starving, and that activates the fat switch. If you were to go to a doctor who says your problem is just eat less and you gave him cortisol medication over a period of time, he would go to twice his body weight within a couple of years, I don’t care who he is or how disciplined or anything.

So right there the first thing I would say is if you started gaining weight after you took those antihistamine then I’m fairly certain that that’s the first trigger.

Now how long — like now I’m reducing it. I only take them twice a week now and I started that three weeks ago.

It’s got you — yeah, go ahead.

So I was going to say how long, if that was the trigger, how long would it take for me to notice that I’m going down and is it possible to have more than one trigger because, I mean, I have a son in Afghanistan, I have a husband who is going, I just moved to a new city, I started a new job.

All those things, 100 percent. You have to look at it — your mind and your body are all connected and all of your stresses — every time you have a mental stress it causes chemistry in your body, too, so you have to look at all those things, and that’s what I talk about is really looking at your life. So dealing with the mental and emotional stress is really, really crucial, but the trigger for you, I’m fairly certain, was this antihistamine and you’re going off it. Now what I would look for, as you’re weaning yourself off it is you’re walking past the bakery or donut shop and your head is not turning anymore. Do you understand what I’m saying?

So you’re saying I may notice a change in my cravings?

Behavior.

Yeah, so my behavior before I can change my weight?

You may notice a couple of things. One is a change in your cravings and the other is a change in your energy level. If you notice those things as you’re weaning yourself off the medication, that you have a little bit more energy and you’re not thinking about food all the time and every time you pass a pizza place or a donut place you’re not like salivating, it’s being reversed. But I have a feeling that it’s not going to be totally — you won’t have a total — you won’t totally notice the affect until you’ve weaned yourself totally off the medication.

Okay.

Again, you’ve got to do this with your doctor. I don’t recommend going off medications unless you’re working with your doctor, but you should work with your doctor on any medication that you’re on and say what are the alternatives to this medication and is there any chance that this medication may be causing you to gain weight?

Do you happen to know exactly which switched on your fat program in order to turn it off? What if you just can’t determine that?

You don’t have to, no; you don’t have to if you just put together an approach where you’re addressing all the potential issues. Like, as I said, dieting is an issue. And there’s another one called nutritional famine. So learning how to nourish your body, learning how to reduce stress, reduce the toxins that are coming into your life, because toxins are a stress that cause your body to activate your FAT programs.

So in the book I talk about — I designed an approach that would address — it’s like an all-points bulletin. It would address all issues simultaneously so that if you don’t know what the issue is, but in your case, Kelly, it’s pretty clear. And like if I talk to someone and they say, "I was thin all my life and then when I was 20 I started gaining weight," I say, "What happened right when you were 20," they say, "Well we moved to another country, my parents separated," or something like that, "My brother got into a car accident, I was in an abusive relationship." Whatever it was, there’s a trauma there that set it off. So in your case — and I also want to talk about this thyroid thing because that’s a really huge issue.

Well, why don’t we do this? Why don’t we take a break and that’s a great place to break and, Jon, can you stay and Kelly, because these are really important points that we all have and talk about trauma. I mean that’s exactly where I was, thin my whole life, and then when I was around 20 I started having weight issues and I went through trauma and continued to go through it for 20 some years and that — Jon, you are just so right on and this doesn’t have to be hard. This just takes paying attention and being in tune with our bodies. So don’t go anywhere. Jon Gabriel is my guest, author of The Gabriel Method. Please go over to his website during our break, GabrielMethod.com/LisaJ. He set up a page just for you. Kelly, don’t go anywhere. We will be right back.

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Hey, hey, it’s me Lisa J., Lisa J. Smith, and my guest right now is Jon Gabriel. I’m very excited. Jon Gabriel is the author of The Gabriel Method and truly this is a gift to all of us. The Gabriel Method is about helping you to lose weight, recognize what’s going on in your body, paying attention and being in tune with your body and, again, go over to GabrielMethod.com/LisaJ. We have our own page over at Jon’s website with great downloads. Jon is going to be on the show every Monday at 4:00 eastern time to help me, to help you, to help all of us to really get in tune with our body and really live, from a very healthy standpoint, our natural place of being.

So, Jon, thank you so much for being here and this is just the introduction. Every week we’re going to, and we’ll talk about this, we’re going to do a different chapter out of your book, The Gabriel Method, which we could get at bookstores across the world or just go over to your website, GabrielMethod.com. So Jon, thank you for being here. We also still have Kelly from Ontario on the line who is talking to Jon actually, I’m just kind of listening, about — we’re going to talk about your thyroid and some issues that you’ve been going through and why you’ve been having a hard time losing weight. So that’s where we are and I’m going to let you guys keep going because this is very informational.

Okay. So, Kelly, let me just ask you, you said when you were 27 — what happened to your thyroid when you were 27?

Well, I had my second child and then it was about a year later, I also quit smoking and then about a year later I was diagnosed with hypothyroid. They’ve had a hard time to keep it stable. I’ve gone on different milligrams strength for the last almost 20 years and my metabolism has never been the same since.

Okay. So let me just try to understand though. So your thyroid is still intact?

Yes. I take one pill a day.

It’s just that they’re saying it’s slow? Okay. So let me explain something. When your FAT programs are activated, sometimes what it will do is it will slow your thyroid, because the part of your brain that controls the FAT programs also controls your metabolism and your metabolism is controlled by your thyroid. So a lot of times people will say the doctor said I have a slow metabolism or slow thyroid, and I’ll say of course you do because your FAT programs have been activated. And a lot of times that can be reversed. But you said that you quit smoking and you just had your second child; is that right?

Yes and just moved to a new place and so I had a lot of change in my life then.

Stressors.

Yeah. So all of those things, those stresses, especially having kids can — I find that’s a very common stress and the reason — this is interesting. When you really try to understand the way your body works and how your body protects you from stresses in your life — sometimes when we have kids and if you’re working and you’ve got all these demands, it’s almost as if everyone is pulling from you, even energetically they’re puling from you, they’re taking from you, they want something from you and you don’t have any space and any way to recharge.

And what happens is, your body actually uses weight as a form of protection. It creates like a barrier between you and the outside world, and it’s almost like an energetic barrier where too much is being taken from you, weight kind of protects you from energy being drained from you. It acts like a barrier or buffer between you and the outside world.

That is what I always say. That is exactly right, exactly.

Yeah, yeah. So that has to be understood and addressed. And a really good way, actually, to address that is with, especially for mothers which, I guess, is probably not so much your situation now that it’s been 20 years, but I have a CD called the Living Goddess Meditation which is specifically for women who are working and have kids and are just drained all the time and they need to be rejuvenated, and this meditation actually helps you connect to your source so that you’re not being drained by life anymore. You almost become like a tap to an infinite resource that’s coming through you rather than it being draining from your own personal resource. Because when it’s draining your own personal resource, your body is going to put up weight as a form of defense. So I think next week I’ll have that as a bonus, kind of free download for listeners of the show. It’s not up there now but it will probably be up there next week.

What a gift.

That would be awesome.

I recommend you listen to that.

So I know I have a thyroid issue. I’m still — I’m not out the game? I’m still able to turn my FAT program off?

Right, and the other thing you said was you gained a little bit of weight back then but it wasn’t until a year and-a-half ago?

I gained 30 pounds.

Okay. Now how old are you now?

Forty-four.

Okay. Are there any issues with menopause?

That’s what I’m won — no, I don’t. I don’t have any physical symptoms from the monthly cycle but I’m wondering if that’s not possibly something that’s happening?

I don’t think you do either. No, I don’t think so, I don’t think so. I can just kind of hear where you’re at. I don’t think you have menopause issues right now, but you do have a lot of mental and emotional stress and you’ve got this medication issue. So what I would look for is as you’re weaning —

Is there any hope?

What’s that?

Yeah, there is.

Is there any hope?

She wants to know if there’ any hope but there is, Kelly, and that’s the beauty.

Oh there is, 100 percent. First of all, the whole reason you’re taking — tell me the reason that you’re taking the antihistamine in the first place?

Well, it took them three years to determine but it’s my thyroid attacking my own autoimmune system, and it’s causing me to have hives and to swell in my throat, in my tongue, my lips and it just — it’s not an allergic reaction, it’s just my body attacking itself. It can happen any time of the day, any day so I take a Reactine every day to keep the swelling at a minimal.

Okay. But you said you’re able to — you’ve started to wean yourself off it; is that right?

Yes. I take only two a week now for the last three weeks. I’d like to go right off it.

Yeah. Well, you might want to talk to a naturopath and see if there’s some natural alternatives to try to understand or maybe even go to someone who — like a Chinese medicine. What city are you in?

I’ve done all that.

Yeah but what city are you in?

I’ve gone to holistic, I’ve done natural, I’ve done everything but stand on my head.

Where are you at Kelly? Where do you live?

I live about two hours from Ottawa.

Oh, okay. So you’re in Ontario?

Yeah.

I just really think that really, and this is just what I’m getting and we have to wrap it up, Kelly, but I just, and for whatever it’s worth, because I want to get to a couple more things before Jon has to go, but I never think that there’s a lost cause and I always say information as knowledge and knowledge is wisdom. And I think like what Jon is saying makes so much sense, just looking back at my own history and going through the stressors of being 20 and having a baby and not being married and just even what I’ve gone through in the past couple of years and why I’m like gaining weight and I don’t eat anything and I’m not on any medications, but it just always seems to be something, and I’m just getting emails from people saying yeah, yeah, that’s me, too. And I think that just being able to be in touch with the mind/body/spirit and letting go of what we can’t control and controlling what we can will help you to work with that fat switch.

I just want to add to that that my feeling, also intuitively, from doing this for a long time is that all of the medical things that are happening to you, working through the mental stress in your life, is going to help balance that out because part of the reason why your body is getting so confused and attacking itself is because all of the chemistry that is taking place from the mental stress. Your body gets really — all our bodies get — we get very confused, our body gets confused by mental and emotional stress because it actually thinks that there’s a real threat out there. It doesn’t understand what mental stress is. It’s causing real chemistry and we think that it’s a real threat and it causes our body to get confused. So the more you can handle some of the mental and emotional stress in your life, the more your body will balance itself.

Exactly and that’s the whole mind/body/spirit connection. So it’s not just — so often we focus just on the spiritual or we focus just on the mind or we focus just on the body, but it’s really finding the balance between all three. Kelly, thank you so much for calling in and talking with Jon. You really helped me to understand a lot through your questions and I appreciate it.

Well, thank you so much for spending such a length of time with me and thank you, Jon.

Okay. And Kelly, I just want to say maybe just send me an email with your address and we’ll send you The Living Goddess Meditation and I’d like you to listen to it every day. I’d like you to find a specific time every day, the same time, no matter when it was but the same time every day and listen to it every day and I’d like you to do that for six weeks and then check back and let me know where you’re at.

I will do that. You’re the best.

Thank you Kelly. Thank you, thank you, thank you. All right, Jon, we’re going to take another short break. Darn these breaks. I just want to keep going. But when we get back there are some things I wanted to talk to you about and we’re going to talk about what we can be expecting next week in chapter one. Chapter one is about the FAT programs and the real reason you’re fat, kind of what we’re talking about today. But there’s some things that you say in your introduction, the things that you will ask us to do, and there’s only three things, and three things that you did from day one that I think are really important for us all to know.

Again, Jon Gabriel is my guest. We’re going to take a short break. Please go over to GabrielMethod.com/LisaJ. Jon was gracious enough to set up a page on his website for all of you so that we can all get our mind/body/spirit working together as one. This is Lisa J.

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Hey, hey, welcome back. It’s Lisa J. Lisa J. Smith. Jon Gabriel is my guest today. He will be my guest every Monday at 4:00 eastern time and I’m very excited. Please go over to his website. You have a week, until next Monday obviously, to go over to GabrielMethod.com and purchase Jon’s book.

Now for those of you who have listened to my show for the past couple of years, you know that I don’t like push anything and I’m always out there trying to find the best and I’m not going to bring — I don’t have a lot of guests on my show and I’m not going to bring anybody to you who I don’t believe, intuitively, and I don’t believe does not have our highest and best at stake. And I will tell you, Jon, you truly do, and I just posted that on my Facebook during the break that I found you for all of you and I shared it with everybody on Facebook that they really need to get this book. Again, you’re going to be here every Monday at 4:00.

So we’re starting right now just as an introduction to what The Gabriel Method is and, again, you can get your book at any of the major bookstores or on your website or probably even amazon.com, and we’re going to start next week going over chapter one. So everybody’s homework is to go through chapter one, read chapter one, don’t go ahead necessarily because we need to do this together, and really understand it and at the same time Jon has a download, a free download, that is available to you that is a very important part of this weight loss program. So, Jon, tell us where we can go to get this download.

If you go to GabrielMethod.com/LisaJ, that’s the page we created for the show, and you scroll down it says mental secrets CD or it will say mental secrets evening visualization CD, click on it, it’s going to ask for a password. The password is heart, H-E-A-R-T, and you put the password in and then we will email you — the CD you can download it and start listening to it and it is very much an integral part of the process, because so much of — I would say 90 percent of weight issues are related to mental and emotional stress simply because mental and emotional stress causes chemistry in your body and that chemistry tricks on this fat switch. So it’s actually a trick.

Our body does not understand mental and emotional stress. It thinks it’s a real threat; it’s trying to protect us. The stock market goes down, your body is going to try to protect you either by gaining weight or losing weight, depending on how your body interprets the stress. That’s something we will talk about next week. But dealing with mental and emotional stress is 100 percent paramount in solving your weight loss problems forever so that you don’t have to force yourself to lose weight, your body doesn’t need the weight anymore. It actually thinks it needs the weight to protect you right now, and part of that is the mental and emotional stress in your life. So the CD will help enormously in that regard.

Okay. In your introduction you state that there are only three things that you did from day one, and you didn’t know when you were creating and losing weight, losing over 220 pounds, you didn’t know you were creating a method, The Gabriel Method, which I think is funny. There’s always a reason for everything.

So the first thing you say that you did from day one is you never let a day go by without making sure that you had given your body the nourishment that it needed in a form that it could digest and assimilate, and the focus was on adding what was missing.

Well, you know I talk about how our bodies get tricked into activating this famine program. Really, in effect, obesity and weight problems are actually caused by starvation. It’s the most counterintuitive, contradictory, confusing thing.

It’s funny.

But it’s actually caused by starvation. And what I mean by that is it’s caused by your body being tricked into activating the starvation response. That’s what obesity is caused by. And the solution is not to diet, necessarily, because dieting only reinforces the starvation response because then you really are starving and let’s face it, if diets worked, there would be no reason for us to be talking right now.

Exactly. Nobody would be fat.

I mean the whole issue would be done. You go on a diet, you lose weight and that’s the end of it. But diets don’t work because every time you diet, you trick the starvation response, you’ll force yourself to lose weight but your body will fight back and you’ll become at war with your body and that’s the way it was for me.

I was at war with my body and every day was a good day and a bad day. When I made the realization that I was starving on a nutritional level, because that’s one of the reasons why your body activates these FAT programs and I talk about that in chapter two, is that you can be starving on a nutritional level and the solution is not to diet but actually to add food, and this is something that no one would ever think in a million years. You know no one would say to you, your problem is you need to eat more. It’s not necessarily that you need to eat more, but you need to add the foods your body is starving for. So there are certain things your body is starving for which we will talk about as we go forward –

In the coming weeks. Yeah, for sure, and I totally agree with that. You also said that you spent less time every day or you spend at least some time every day practicing techniques that you developed to address the mental and emotional causes of obesity, so we are going to be talking about that, and you also said every night, as you were going to sleep, you visualized your ideal body exactly the way you wanted to look and feel, eventually that vision became a reality. So those are the three things that you did and we’re going to be talking about those in the upcoming weeks, every Monday at 4:00 eastern.

Now you also say that you will only ask us to do three things. The first thing is never go a single day without adding the nutrients your body is starving for, which you were just talking about; that we listen to your evening visualization CD or spend at least 10 minutes a day practicing the visualization techniques that you talk about in your book; and that you will listen to your heart and to your body. And if you are willing to do these three things, then I believe that we are on our way to the mind/body/spirit connection that will help balance us, ground us, and keep us healthy and living the life that we truly want to live.

So every Monday you will be here on the show. There’s so much more that I could talk to you about for sure, but we have to wrap it up and go up to the spiritual news. You will be here every Friday and I’ll be promoting the book and talking about this throughout every show.

Every Monday.

Again, go over to GabrielMethod.com/LisaJ to get the book and the download. The download is H-E-A-R-T. I will get our webmasters to put this up on our website. I will work on it. I don’t know how soon I can do that, but I have no control over that. I can only control what I control. Did I say every Friday? I meant every Monday at 4:00.

Every Monday.

I was thinking today was Friday. I don’t know why. It’s already Friday in my mind, but every Monday at 4:00 eastern. So Jon Gabriel, thank you so much. We’re giving everybody the opportunity to get the book and then if you already have the book, we’re going to go into chapter one, the FAT programs, the real reason you’re fat, and as I say, information is knowledge and knowledge is wisdom.

So Jon, thank you. We’ll let you go back to sleep. We know it’s early in Australia. But now it’s 6:00 a.m.

I’m not going to sleep yet.

So thank you so much.

My pleasure Lisa.

All right. We will talk with you next Monday.

I look forward to speaking to you next week.

Yeah. Me, too, I can’t wait. I love your book. I love it, I love it, I love it. I feel like yes, I’m finally going to do it. Next Monday, 4:00, more of Jon Gabriel. We are going to go up to the spiritual news now. It’s time for another break. We’re going to go into hour three. I am here to answer your questions. 248-545-SOUL, 248-545-7685. Listen, we’re going to lose weight without dieting, we’re going to turn off our fat switch, we’re going to get our body thin. We’re going to be who we always wanted to be from the inside out. That’s a good day. This is Lisa J.