Lose Weight Without Dieting – Jon Gabriel and Lisa J. Smith

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Hey, hey, hey, it’s Lisa J. Lisa J. Smith, you’re listening to For the Soul, From the Soul, here on the Sky. Very excited to have each and every one of you available to me. As promised, I have a special guest with me, his name is Jon Gabriel. And, before I bring Jon on, I want to say this. If you’ve been listening to this show for any length of time, you know that every Friday, TGIF, it is all about our stories, and it’s all about sharing, because when we share our story, we help others. And just because you’re going through one situation, or several situations, there are thousands and millions of other people who are going through, maybe not the exact same situation, but feel the way you feel.

And I’m really excited because today is a perfect day to bring Jon Gabriel on. His is an amazing story that led to an amazing transformation. And I very much believe that when we go through difficult or challenging times, it is just for us, but it’s also meant to be shared, because by sharing, we help heal. And Jon Gabriel is a perfect example of somebody who went through, and has gone through, an amazing story that led to this moment of transformation, which allows all of us, if you are open to receive this great gift, to make your life that much better.

Hello, Jon, how are you?

Great, Lisa, thanks so much for having me on.

Thank you. You know, before you came on, and when we first booked you here on the show, and I was just, kind of, feeling your energy, so to speak, and what you’re all about. And I said this at the beginning of my show, you’re so compassionate. And you’re so genuine, and you’re so real. And sometimes, that’s hard to find, because we’re only human, and we get lost sometimes, and to find somebody like you who truly is out there making a difference in the world, truly is like finding a needle in a haystack. I don’t know you, and I’ve never talked to you, but that’s how I feel about you.

I appreciate that very much.

Yes, and I’m really honored that you’re here to talk to us about your transformation and about your story, and to share with us how you lost over 220 pounds.

Yes. Well, I’ll just tell you a little bit about the back story behind that, which is how I gained 220 pounds, before I lost it, and that is that I used to be — back in 1990 I moved to New York, and I was pretty much one of those naturally thin people. You know, the type of people that everybody hates, that can eat whatever they want and they don’t have to worry about watching their weight. I was pretty much naturally thin.

I moved to New York, I started gaining weight. And it seemed like, as soon as I moved there, I was working in a high stress Wall Street job, I wasn’t making enough money to make ends meet, and I was just really stressed out. And typically when somebody does that, and they get a job that’s an office job, they stop worrying about what they’re eating, and they don’t exercise, and they gain weight.

So I gained a little bit of weight, I gained about 5 or 10 pounds the first year, then 5 or 10 pounds the second year, and I didn’t think much about it. But what happened was, I kept gaining weight. And after a couple of years, I had gained maybe 40 or 50 pounds, and I started taking it seriously. I realized it was a real problem, and I decided to do something about it. And I did what everybody does, which was go on a diet. Because, it just makes sense, calories in, calories out, just eat less and you’ll lose weight.

And so I went on a diet, actually, I went on a lot of diets. Every diet I went on always followed the exact same pattern. There’d be a whole list of things you can’t have, no wheat, no sugar, no fat, no salt. Whatever it was, I’d follow the diet to the letter, I’d lose weight, and then, what would happen is, I’d come to a point – after I’d lose maybe 10 pounds through shear will power – I’d come to a point where I wasn’t losing weight anymore. And, people that are out there, that have tried to diet, know what this is like. You’re still dieting, but you’re not losing weight, and it’s a little bit like you’ve painted yourself into a corner. Because now you have to diet, just to maintain that-

The diet.

-that poundage you’ve lost.

I know it all too well.

Yes, and what would happen is, there’d be a time when I just couldn’t take it anymore. And I’d have this big binge, and the weight that took me weeks and weeks to come off, would come back in days. And I’d gain that 10 pounds back in days, and then two days later, three days later I’d be 5 pounds heavier than when I’d even started to diet. 

It went on and on like this with every diet, so that I’d lose 10 pounds, gain 15, lose 10 pounds, gain 15. I kept gaining and gaining weight. I really tried hard to lose weight. If I have one message for the world that I have learned through experience, and through working now with thousands of people, is that it’s not about will power, it’s not about discipline. It’s about learning how to work with your body, and understanding why your body gains weight. For me, when I was trying to lose weight through dieting — when I was living in New York, I met with Dr. Atkins, you know from the — because he was alive back then. I spent thousands of dollars with him, and the best he could do was just yell at me for being so fat.

And tell you, “No bread.”

Yes, I was thinking to myself, “Is that really the best you can do? Like, I’m going to lose weight because you’re mad at me?”

I gave you ten thousand dollars.

Oh, this old man’s mad at me, I better lose weight. I don’t want to get yelled at. I don’t have enough motivation? I’ve got fitness trainers, I’m waking up at seven in the morning, I’m spending thousands of dollars with Dr. Atkins.

Yes, and what you were doing is starving your body, and then your body is like, it needs some kind of something, nourishment, and so you eat anything. It’s like, “Oh yay, I ate. I have food.” And it holds onto it.

And that’s what would happen. And I always say, dieting is a little bit like holding a volley ball under water. Because, the minute you let go –

Forget about it.

– it’s going to pop back up, and it’s going to pop up higher than the level of the water. And that's what happens. I went to the Pritikin Institute, at the time it was in Santa Monica, and my wife at the time used to joke to me that — you know how the Atkins diet is no carbs. Right? You can eat all the fat you want, and Pritikin diet is no fat. You can have all the carbs you want, and my wife used to joke –

So, your metabolism was a mess.

What’s that?

Your body was a mess. It didn’t know what to do.

Exactly. You know, what would happen is, I’d go to McDonalds, and I’d be on the Atkins diet, so I’d order this quarter pounder, and I’d just eat the burger and not the bread.

Can I have six quarter pounders please, with no bread?

Exactly. And then the next week, I’d be on the Pritikin diet, so I’d go to the same McDonalds, order the same quarter pounder, but this time I’m eating the bread and not the burger? It’s like, I can’t just have a hamburger, it’s always got to be something with it.

Oh my God, I’m so there, so there.

And my wife used to joke to me that I was on the Atkins diet during the day and the Pritikin diet at night.

You’re like a dream come true to these diet gurus.

Yes.

Yes, really.

I’ve got to tell you this. So this went on and on, Lisa, for about 11 years, until I had gained over 200 pounds, and I had a turning point. This was back in August of 2001.

And what was that?

Because I lost the weight years ago, I mean, I lost the weight — it was about six years ago almost now that I’ve lost the weight. But, this was 2001, I had a turning point, it was August, and I remember I was driving home from a movie, and this thought just sort of hits me like an electric shock. The thought comes in my head and says, “You know what, for whatever reason, your body just wants to be fat. And as long as it wants to be fat, there’s nothing you can do to stop it.”

Oh my gosh, absolutely.

And that was a really powerful experience for me, because I knew it was true for me, because I had tried so hard to lose weight, and there was a time when I never had to even think about weight. I mean, there was a time when I was naturally thin, and here I am struggling, and struggling, and struggling to try and lose weight, and I’m gaining and gaining, and gaining.

So, I knew there was something going on. It wasn’t that I was weak, or lazy, or undisciplined, because I’m not weak, and I’m a disciplined person, I’m a hard working person, but there was nothing I could do to lose weight. And when I had this moment, I just pulled over by the side of the road – I was on the freeway – and I just pulled over by the side of the road, and not another thought came into my head. For about 20 minutes I just sat there, I just sat with that. And I decided, right then and there, that I was never going to diet again.

And isn’t it interesting, the word diet, the first three letters are die?

Isn’t that amazing?

It is, because it’s really what –

Because you are starving. I mean listen, what are you doing? You are starving yourself.

You are, it is, and –

It’s a very unnatural thing to do; it’s very unnatural to starve yourself. It’s very unnatural to not eat when you’re hungry. These are not natural things to do. It’s almost like not breathing when you want to breathe. Because the part of your brain – I learned this – the part of your brain that controls hunger, and how much body weight you have, is the same part of your brain that controls your breathing, or how much sleeping you’re doing. And if your body wants you to be fat, for whatever reason, and I’ll talk about that in a moment, why your body would want to be fat –

Yes, we’re going to take a break, and I want to tell — when we come back, I do want to talk about that, because that’s exactly — I so hear you, because I used to be so thin, and I was at Michigan State University, and they’d say, “Oh, here, you want to be in the calendar?” I had this great little — I could eat anything. And then I had my kids, and I felt very unsafe, through a series of things that I went through, and had very unsafe – quote, unquote – for a long time, and I did. I hear you so much; I heard almost the same voice. It’s coming to a place of acceptance.

I can definitely help you, if you want, because I’ve dealt with a lot of people in the exact same situations.

Yes, well, yes. And you know what, this is why I honestly believe that we all have different experiences and different things that we need to go through, so when we can go through something and overcome and transform, then we can use what we’ve learned to help others.

That’s right, my message to the world, having lived through both sides, is that it’s not about will power, it’s not about dieting, it’s about learning and understanding why your body would want to be fat, and how to address and eliminate it.

And that’s what I want to know when we get back. That is exactly what I want to know. And I really want to encourage everybody listening right now to go over to your website, GabrielMethod.com, because honestly, you look at your before and your after picture, and I’m looking at it right now, and I’m sitting here thinking to myself –

How’d that happen?

No, no, I’m thinking to myself, if you truly listen to your body, and you truly are paying attention and you’re in alignment, then anything can be possible when you just believe. And when you make up your mind to understand — and I always say information is knowledge, and knowledge is wisdom. And I know how it happens, but I look at your before and you can just tell that you look so sad.

Well, I was.

Yes, I mean it’s like being trapped in hell, really. I say that a lot of times, because it’s not you, but it’s you. And then I look at your after picture and you just have this — just the way that your shoulders are back, and you look into your eyes and your smile, and you just have this incredible glow that says, “Here I am, and let me help you.” And that’s what – if we can help – and not necessarily because it’s New Year’s resolutions. I don’t want to talk about all that, I would love to do this if it were in July. But I think that every day is a new day to accept, and to move forward.

So, when we get back from the break, it’s just a couple minutes, we’re going to come back and we’re going to talk about, maybe, how you did that, how you can help us. But I also want to talk to you about emotionally how you dealt with this, because that’s not so easy. So, lots of things that we can talk about. Don’t go anywhere. This is Lisa J. Smith.

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Hey, hey, hey, it’s Lisa J. Lisa J. Smith, and you are listening to For the Soul, From the Soul, here on the Sky powered by CBS.

Very excited because my guest today is Jon Gabriel, and he is talking to us about his weight loss of over 220 pounds. And this isn’t just any weight loss story, there’s something different about you, Jon. And I haven’t put my finger on it, but I think what it is, is it’s truly your integrity, and it’s truly you just being you, and your willingness to share what you know with the world. And I think honestly that’s what makes you so different, and I’m just honored and so happy to have you here on the show with me. You can go to Jon’s website by going over to GabrielMethod.com.

So, Jon, we were just talking a little bit about how you really gained, and gained, and gained, and the yo-yo affect of all of these diets. So take us to where you are now, and how you got here.

Okay, so I had this, sort of, epiphany, if you will, that we just talked about, where I’m sitting on the side of the road and I’m realizing that my body, for whatever reason, wants to be fat. And as long as it wants to be fat, it’s going to keep fighting me, and fighting me, and fighting me, and fighting me, and that’s what it did. It’s not like I was one of those people that was fat from the time that they were babies so they never knew any better. I knew what it was like to be effortlessly thin, and I lived that way for years and years, and then, all of a sudden, no matter what I am doing, I’m gaining weight. And I am dieting and dieting, and I’m losing and I’m gaining, and I’m losing and I’m gaining, and I’m losing the battle. And I decided I was never going to diet again, and instead I was going to try and figure out why my body wanted to be fat in the first place, and what I could do to get it to want to be thin like it used to be.

And I had a very solid biochemistry background from the University of Pennsylvania. That gave me enough of a foundation to go on the internet and study all the research. And I spent hours and hours a day reading everything I could about obesity and weight loss. And I also knew that stress and emotions were a very big component for me, because when I moved to New York, which was a very, very stressful experience for me, and I never really felt safe in New York. And I don’t mean safe like I was going to get mugged or something like that, it was just — you know what I mean. Right?

Totally.

It was just that feeling. You just don’t feel safe. And I didn’t feel nurtured, I didn’t feel protected –

Yes, protected almost.

All these things that were causing me stress. So, I studied as much as I could about stress, and the chemistry that takes place when you’re in stress, and I started to put it together. And what was interesting is I started to figure out what my situation was, I started to lose weight, and I lost weight slowly in the beginning. And this is very different than a diet because, with a diet, you lose weight quickly in the beginning, and then you reach this plateau and then you have this rebound.

I did the exact opposite. I lost the weight slowly in the beginning, and then I started losing the weight quicker and quicker, because I was addressing the real issues that were causing my body to want to hold on to weight. And once that happened, my body became very efficient at burning fat. And I started losing weight quicker and quicker over time, until basically at the end I was losing weight maybe three of four times faster than I lost weight in the beginning, which is very uncommon.

 But, what I discovered is that there is very specific reasons why your body would want to be fat. And it’s like a program inside your head that protects you from certain things. Originally, fat was a form of protection that protected us against famine and cold weather. This is our ancestors, and this is the genetics we inherited, and we don’t have famines and cold weather. But famines and cold weather — if you were in a famine, and there wasn’t enough to eat – which is, by the way, very similar to the way a diet is – if you were in a famine and there wasn’t enough to eat for months and months and months, that’s a particular type of stress that causes a particular type of chemistry in your body. And that chemistry, when that’s taking place, activates what I call your body’s FAT programs. And when these programs are on, your body conspires to gain weight. You become a fat storage machine, basically. Several things happen.

One is that your brain stops listening to your stomach when you’re full. See, normally, if you look at a naturally thin person, sure they’re eating pizza, they’re eating ice cream and all that stuff, but they have a couple of bites and that’s it. Or maybe they forget to eat a meal, but I remember when my FAT programs were on, I could be — the only way I could stop eating is when I couldn’t fit any more food in my stomach. And I’m sure there are a lot of people out there that are listening that know that experience. You keep eating and eating until you can’t fit anything more. It’s because your brain stops listening to your stomach. And this is intentional to force you to gain weight.

To feel safe.

Your metabolism slows down, so you’re tired all the time. You know, people tell me, “Oh, I have a slow thyroid.” Or, “I hate exercise; I’m tired all the time.” Your body’s doing that to get you to conserve calories because your body has activated these FAT programs. It actually wants to gain weight as a form of protection. And your tongue actually loses its sensitivity to sweet food, so it takes more sugary sweet and fattening foods to satisfy, and you basically become very efficient at storing fat.

It’s really quite simple, isn’t it?

It really is. And this is the part that really is — it’s an important message. We watch these things like The Biggest Loser, and all these people grunting it out, and then they all gain it back again. It’s because you can’t force your body. Any time you force yourself to lose weight, it’s a little bit like borrowing money that you’re going to have to pay back with interest. Because every time you do that, you artificially stimulate your body to think it’s in a famine, and that activates these FAT programs. And your body’s actually trying to protect you. We get so mad at our bodies, we think our bodies are out to get us, and –

And then we beat ourselves up, and then it’s like a cat chasing its tail.

And we feel terrible, and we think that we’ve sabotaged, and none of that’s going on. It’s just the mechanics of it. When you cause a famine in your body, it causes your body to want to gain weight and hold on to weight as a form of protection. And when you understand that and learn to work with it, everything changes. And the interesting thing is, it’s not just a famine that will activate these FAT programs. It’s any type of stress that causes the same chemistry as a famine.

So you could be driving to work and you’re stuck in rush hour traffic and you’re going to be late and your boss is going to be mad at you, and that causes stress to your body. And for some people, not for everybody, but for some people it causes the exact same stress as a famine, and when that happens, your body actually gets tricked into activating the FAT programs.

We go to the doctor, and he says, “Just eat less. Why don’t you just eat less?” But when your body wants to be fat- and I have lived this, and you can’t imagine what it’s like until you've lived it – when your body wants you to be fat, it forces you to gain weight the same way, through the same mechanism, that — if you’re not breathing enough, your body’s going to force you to breathe. If you’re not sleeping enough, your body’s going to force you to sleep.

So, imagine you go into your doctor, and he says to you, “Your problem is just that you’re sleeping too much, just sleep two hours a night.” You could do that. Right? You could do that for a while, two nights, three nights, four nights, five nights, but sooner or later, your body’s going to force you to sleep. You’re going to need a big binge sleep. It’s the exact same with food. If you force yourself to eat less, your body will force you to eat sooner or later, and then you will have this huge rebound. It’s the same with breathing. The next time your doctor tells you to eat less, you just tell him to breathe less.

Yes, right, exactly. And have a nice day.

You can't force yourself to breathe less. It’s the same way you can’t force yourself to eat less on a sustainable basis. In order to lose weight and keep it off on a sustainable basis, you’ve got to understand these FAT programs, understand the types of things that activate these FAT programs, and then turn them off. For me personally, I lost that weight over a two and a half year period without dieting. Sure, there were certain things I added to my diet because I realized that another reason why you can gain weight is because you are in what I call a nutritional famine, where you’re starving on a nutritional level for specific nutrients. So, I added certain nutrients. But, I can tell you, I ate whatever I wanted, whenever I wanted. I never had good days and bad days. You know how like when you’re on a diet?

You stop beating yourself up, you stop saying, “Oh, I screwed up.” And, “Oh my God, I shouldn’t have had that.” And then you’re like, “Oh, forget it. I ate that, so I may as well eat five more.”

Exactly, and that’s the way it is. When you diet, every day is a battle.

Every moment.

Every moment. You never know when a good day’s going to turn. You start every day as a good day. You never know when it’s going to turn into a bad day, and any minute. It’s 4:00, it’s 11:00 and you want to have a doughnut, but you beat that, and somehow you had graham crackers instead, or something like that.

And isn’t it amazing? And here we’re trying to think we’re doing something good for us — yeah, maybe our body, but then we’re sitting here emotionally totally screwing ourselves, because we’re sitting here –

Not only that, but it’s the worst thing you could be doing for your body because you’re getting your body to want to be fat.

Yes, because you’re getting more stressed.

You’re getting your body to think that food is limited, and that causes your body to activate these FAT programs.

Yes, because then you’re under more stress, so it’s a catch 22 and you just keep going and you keep going, and you keep going.

All right, well we have to go down to the bottom of the hour, take another break, and when we get back, you have a book, The Gabriel Method, and I want you to talk to us a little bit about, one, we look in your book, and when we get your book, how your book can help us, and the things that we can learn from your book. And I also wanted to talk to you, and this is something I’ll talk to you off the air about , but something I’ve been wanting to do for about two years now on the show, is start a weight loss challenge, for me, for my producer, for all of us. Because it’s about being healthy, and it’s about not beating ourselves up, and it’s about making good decisions, not just about what we put in our mouth, like the diet, but making –

It’s about your whole life.

Yes, exactly, because everything –

You know, when you’re not living the life you’re meant to be living, it’s causing you stress in every area of your life, and then –

And then you get fatter.

– everything is going to remind you of that.

And it’s a catch 22, and then here goes the cycle all over again. So, if you — I always say, and I say this to everybody, information is knowledge, and knowledge is wisdom. If you can gain the information about why you’re doing something, and then you can move to the knowledge, then the wisdom will tell you, “Ah ha!” And that’s what I want to talk to you about, that’s what this book is about, The Gabriel Method. Go over to TheGabrielMethod.com, check out Jon’s website. We’re going to take a short break. When we get back, more with Jon Gabriel. This is Lisa J. Smith.

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Hey, hey, it’s Lisa J. Jon Gabriel is my guest today, and we are talking about how Jon has lost over 220 pounds. He wrote a book, and he is going to be talking about that book right now. You know, and this is perfect timing, Jon. Michelle from Edmonton leaves me some instant feedback, and she says, “How do you turn the FAT programs on or off?” She doesn’t understand it. And I think that, Michelle, we’re getting to that right now, because in your book, The Gabriel Method, I guarantee you, you talk about that. So, can you tell us a little bit about your book, and tell us about these FAT programs?

Okay. To talk about the book, the first thing I want to say is, the first thing you learn about the book, is that you’re not gaining weight because you’re undisciplined, or weak, or lazy, or sabotaging yourself. You’re simply gaining weight because these FAT programs are getting turned on.

Now, what we spoke about before the break is that these FAT programs are programs that we have inside our body that are used to protect us against — originally against famine and cold weather. Now, if you were in a famine, that would cause certain stress to your body and that would activate these FAT programs, because it’s your body’s way of saying, “Listen, we live in a world where there’s famines. We need to always have extra weight on us to protect us against these famines.” It actually makes your body want to put on weight, so that the next time there’s a famine, you’re carrying an extra 10 or 20 pounds going into the famine, you’re going to survive.

So, these are programs that we have, that we inherited from our ancestors. Now, we don’t have famines anymore, but we do have stress, and sometimes, for some people, the stresses in our lives cause the exact same chemistry in our blood as a famine. And when that happens, your brain actually gets tricked into thinking that you’re starving, and it activates these FAT programs. When your FAT programs are activated in a world of unlimited excess empty calorie carb foods, that’s a recipe for disaster, and that’s what’s happening for a lot of us.

Now in my research, and through working with myself and thousands of people, I’ve identified about twelve different things that can activate these FAT programs, and these are stresses that we experience on a day to day basis that can potentially cause the type of chemistry in your body, that tricks it into activating these FAT programs. The first one is dieting. It’s the most ironic thing in the world, but when you go on a diet, your blood chemistry changes. You’re putting a stress on your body that makes it think that you are in a famine. And then, even though you lose weight — and by the way, everything out there that forces your body to lose weight, actually gets your body to want to be fatter. So even though you lose weight, you become hungrier, and your metabolism slows down, and eventually you have this binge and you end up five pounds heavier than when you even started the diet, because your body is saying, "That’s another famine, we need to keep another five pounds on us to protect us against the famine." So, every time you diet, it actually makes your body want to be fat.

So, what you want to focus on is not so much the things that force your body to lose weight, but the things that get your body to want to be thin. So, the things that force your body to lose weight, such as dieting, activate the FAT programs.

Another type of stress that activates the FAT programs is what I call a nutritional famine. Now, the foods we eat today are radically different than the foods that our bodies are used to from thousands of years ago. They’re devoid of certain essential nutrients, and an essential nutrient is something that you can’t manufacture yourself. You have to get it from your food supply, in an uncorrupted form, and there are many essential nutrients that we are just missing now. And that causes the same stress; it causes the same chemistry as a famine.

So what happens is you stay hungry and hungry and hungry, and eat looking for those nutrients, but they’re not in any of our food.  So the ironic thing is, in that case, and that’s not the reason that everybody gains weight, but in that specific case, the answer is not to diet, but to actually add food. That is, add the foods that your body is starving for. And what happens is, the FAT programs get turned off and you become less hungry, and your metabolism speeds up, and then it becomes very organic. What you are doing is you’re working with these programs, rather than against them.

So, a nutritional famine will activate the FAT programs, being dehydrated, being starving for water will activate the FAT programs. Sleep apnea, or not getting enough proper sleep, is a stress that activates the FAT programs. Certain medications, like medication that elevates your cortisol levels will activate the FAT programs. Certain artificial ingredients, like MSG activate the FAT programs. You know what MSG is, right? Monosodium Glutomate. It’s got a lot of different –

I always think of Chinese food when I hear MSG.

Okay, yes, but you know what? It’s in all of —

It’s in everything, right. But that — yes.

It’s in all our foods. And, did you know, that when a biochemical researcher wants to study obesity and he wants to study rats that are fat, he has to make a rat fat because rats aren’t fat. You know how you make a rat fat?

No. MSG?

You feed him MSG.

Yes, I’ve heard that.

There’s even a term for it, a scientific term. It’s called MSG Obesity Induced Mice. You can look that up on the internet. MSG Obesity Induced Mice. That’s how your make a mouse or rat fat, is you feed him MSG. This is in all our food supply. What it does, is that part of the brain that’s in charge of these FAT programs, it activates it.

Right. Now in your book, because we’re running out of time, I want to talk about your book, The Gabriel Method. Everything that we need to know about how to do this, how to understand this, how to live this lifestyle, because this isn’t a diet, as you say, not at all, it’s not even a program. You call it a concept and an approach, and it’s a way of living.

It’s really so simple.

It is so simple. And it sounds like we’re talking about the fat this, and the fat that. It’s simple, it’s easy, and your book. It’s almost like, so simple, that we always miss the simplest things in the world.

That’s right. And I’ve had people tell me they’ve been dieting for 30 years and they couldn’t lose weight, and all of a sudden — I’ve got one lady I met last week. She’s lost 110, 120 pounds, and she’s not dieting. What’s she’s doing is turning off these FAT programs.

So you have to deal with the mental/emotional stress, and I do that — I created a visualization CD that you listen to that deals with the mental and emotional aspects. You have to add certain nutrients, and you have to address the other specific things that could activate the FAT programs, and that’s it. And then, what you end up with, over time, it’s not a lose 20 pounds in 20 days thing, it’s a solve the problem forever thing, is that your body — you become less hungry, your metabolism speeds up, you’re still eating whatever you want, but you’re craving healthier foods, you’re not craving as much. You have a couple of bites to eat and all of a sudden you’re not hungry anymore. You don’t have to stuff yourself because your body’s not tricked into activating this famine response.

And you feel good.

You feel incredible. It all happens very organically and naturally. You’re no longer at war. For me it’s been six years, and I never weigh myself, I never — I eat whatever I want. I never, ever, ever for a second think, “I’m not going to have that.” Never. I feed myself, I nourish myself, but I do crave healthier foods now. I do have a lot more energy.

Yes. And you know, if what you’re doing isn’t working, and you’re doing it over and over, that’s the definition of insanity.

That’s a sign.

And I thought about it, at the end of the last year — not because it was that, but I had a vacation, so I had a week where I could just be, and I really thought about it. And I was like, I need to change everything. I need to change everything in my life, and get rid of a lot of — because I have more stress than anybody could possibly imagine over the past two years, and I realized, “You know what, I need to feel safe. I need to feel protected within me. Because the only person I really have, is me, taking care of me. ” And then you showed up, and it’s like, “Oh my goodness, ah ha!” I believe in synchronicity, I believe everything happens for a reason, and your book — I can’t wait to get it. Where can we get your book?

You can get my book at most bookstores; you can also get it at my website, GabrielMethod.com. You can also get my CD, you can download my CD for free on my site. You can buy it if you want, but you can download it for free, and what it does is it has lot of positive suggestions that make your body feel safe. When your body feels safe, it lets go of the weight, because weight is always a protection against some sort of threat. It makes your body feel safe.

So, listen to that CD. What you do, if you go on the site, it’s going to ask you for a password that’s in the book, because you’re not supposed to get it unless you buy the book, but I’ll just tell you, the word is HEART. H-E-A-R-T. So when it asks you for the password, put in the word HEART, and when it says download the free CD, put in the word HEART, you can listen to the CD right now. Don’t listen to it while driving because it puts you in the alpha and the theta state, it relaxes you. Listen to it as you’re going to sleep, and that’s 99 percent of it right there.

You know what, you are — I always call people rock stars, or spiritual rock stars. You are a rock star, and you are giving back so much that I don’t even know if you know how much that you are giving back and how much you are helping us to balance. Just by setting the energy, and putting the intent out there, and doing what you do, and just showing up for life, and showing up for your life. You’re a perfect example of how everything else balances out.

And then it’s also an example of how we have free will and we can choose to get this book, and we can choose to actually change our lives, or we can choose to stay in the same path that we’re on. I personally choose you, and choose this book, and I am very, very excited. I definitely want to connect with you off the air and see if we can’t talk about some things off the air that maybe we can do for the listeners, maybe once a month, or something that we can do together. Because really it’s paying it forward and giving it back to people. But, you have to get the book, you just have to, and if you’ve listened to me for any amount of time, you have to trust me on this one. The Gabriel Method, it just feels right, and it just feels good.

So, Jon, thank you so much for your time, I hope that you’ll come back on and we’ll be able to connect again. I think you are awesome, and keep up the good work and keep spreading your messages. Okay?

Thanks so much, Lisa.

Thank you so much. Thank you, thank you, thank you.